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A proposal came up in rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 to slightly strengthen the requirements for references / Box to types with a slice tail.

@scottmcm do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

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For unsized types, this check considers dynamic information from the metadata:
If `T` has an unsized tail of slice type (`[U]`), it is inhabited of the length encoded in the metadata is 0 or if `U` is inhabited.

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These two lines are for rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620. We didn't explicitly discuss this case in the opsem FCP.

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do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

I don't have anything concrete.

At least as a mental model -- whether it can be phrased well for a reference I'm less sure -- I wonder if there's a general rule here like saying that the type in the reference must, including looking at the metadata, represent a well-formed and inhabited type. (Part of me wants to say it comes from an unsizing, but there's nothing to unsize to a struct Foo(u32, [f64]); kind of thing, so I don't think that works, but maybe someone can come up with a cleverer phrasing.)

Basically I wish the "length has to be zero for uninhabited elements" and "length bound for non-ZST elements is usize::MAX / sizeof(T)" kinds of things were just corollaries of the general rule, to avoid things like the rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 (comment) concern.

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So what do you think about the wording I put in this PR?

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Thanks @RalfJung. We talked about this in the lang meeting and agreed we'd expect a lang FCP here if we're changing the language.

@rfcbot fcp merge lang

(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

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I reviewed the proposed rules both for unions and for references, and this looks reasonable to me.

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This makes me want a separate language construct for "no, I'm not doing partial overwrite silliness" because this rule has meant that unions are not usable for the cases I wanted, but if this is the right answer for FFI unions and such then so be it.

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🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

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(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

FWIW the unsized type part hasn't been FCP'd by us yet, as mentioned above. We can do that in a separate issue or a joint FCP here.

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@rfcbot fcp cancel

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@traviscross proposal cancelled.

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Thanks @RalfJung.

@rfcbot fcp merge lang,opsem

(In addition to what was previously FCPed by opsem, opsem is signing off here on what RalfJ mentions in #2337 (comment).)

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FWIW @saethlin has ticked their box in rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620, that should be carried over.

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For unsized types, this check considers dynamic information from the metadata:
In particular, if `T` has an unsized tail of slice type `[U]`, and if `U` is uninhabited, and if the length encoded in the metadata is non-zero, then the pointee is uninhabited.

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I feel like making inhabitedness depend on metadata values is not right / clean.

I would rather make this a separate restriction on the value of the metadata. That is, I would say something along the lines of "A reference or Box<T> must ... have valid metadata" and "slice metadata for a slice type with uninhabited elements, it must be 0".

This allows adding other restrictions in the future, such as the one mentioned by @scottmcm that slice metadata can at most be usize::MAX / size_of::<T>() (for non-ZSTs).

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We generally pretty consistently treat the metadata as telling us the "actual type" that we use to inspect the pointee. I think it would be odd do do something else here. It would look like an arbitrary set of rules, rather than just something that falls out of a more general principle.

This allows adding other restrictions in the future, such as the one mentioned by @scottmcm that slice metadata can at most be usize::MAX / size_of::() (for non-ZSTs).

As I mentioned in reply to Scott, that restriction is already present. It follows from the fact that the reference has to be dereferenceable for its actual dynamic size.

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Hm. It still feels weird to me to do it this way for slices, but if we are consistently doing it this way I suppose that is better.

I suppose the reason it feels weird to me is that in the compiler "inhabitedness" is a property of types, and does not concern the value in any way. If we would like exploit this UB in the compiler, we would have to add an arbitrary rule in the form of "if the tail is a slice of an uninhabited type, assume(len == 0)".

In a way, considering the "actual type" feels more arbitrary to me.

That being said, I imagine we have to consider the "actual type" for trait objects, at which point it's better do the same thing for slices too.

(I'd resolve this conversation, but it appears I don't have permissions for that)

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The compiler can only statically approximate all these properties using the types, yes. But that's expected, everything on this page is written assuming full knowledge of the current dynamic state (think: Miri, MiniRust). The compiler might get better at approximating things and that should not change the spec!

IOW, I think you're thinking too much like a compiler writer and not enough like a language specifier. :)

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guilty as charged I'm afraid ^^'

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If we would like exploit this UB in the compiler, we would have to add an arbitrary rule in the form of "if the tail is a slice of an uninhabited type, assume(len == 0)".

To also reply to this specifically -- the compiler does not have to exploit this UB if we think it's too weird or doesn't fit the current compiler architecture. But I would like to keep the door open to the compiler potentially exploiting this UB in the future, as the compiler architecture may change and make this less weird. Maybe one day it becomes trivial to make it so that the length metadata of &[!] is annotated with range information saying it has to be 0. This seems quite plausible, don't we already encode that the length is at most isize::MAX for non-zero-sized types?

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in many contexts we do encode that the length is 0..=floor(isize::MAX/size_of::<pointee>), in particular function arguments. in a few context we do not (due to perf regressions and dubious benefit), and we never do for unsized tails, it's only &[T].

for example, fn meow(x: &[u16]) is i64 noundef range(i64 0, 4611686018427387904) for the length arg, but struct Meow { val: [u16] } fn meow(x: &Meow) is a plain i64 noundef.

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@RalfJung I was not arguing against adding arbitrary rules to the compiler (it's full of them!), I was more so arguing that it should be fine to have them here too (which I don't believe anymore); thanks for explaining your view though :)

@asquared31415 do you know why we are only adding range metadata for &[T] and not &Meow? Seems like an oversight... Turns out this metadata is calculated with a special case in cg_llvm: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/c4c4a576936e9e67717d0deb8e74e02dd5dd10de/compiler/rustc_codegen_llvm/src/abi.rs#L561-L579 As the comment suggests, I don't think this is a good way to handle this, hm...

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I looked into it as a part of another PR, and it ended up regressing codegen in most cases, with minimal benefits: rust-lang/rust#159921 (comment) unfortunately I don't have numbers on hand, but llvm was making some bad assembly involving 64 bit immediates and sometimes even using a whole extra register (in a contrived test, but I'm unsure if it would go away even after inlining in normal usage)

The attributes are set here in rustc_codegen_llvm, where it matches only Ref(Slice(T)) types, and there's even a note that it's suboptimal.

During the aforementioned PR, I even hit the layout cycles that the comment alludes to, so it's definitely still an issue as of july-ish.

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@scottmcm might have some additional context as the original author of that hack. They mentioned rust-lang/rust#152843 could help get some of the layout info we would like on DSTs, but IIRC I also touched that code in similar ways (with nuw and/or nsw on that math) and ended up getting similar "llvm suddenly emits 64 bit literals and extra registers".

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